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in the abbe sense of medium term deficit reduction plan consistent with sustaining the economic recovery and restoring confidence in the long run, sustainability of the u.s. publicbe finances the current negative outlook on triple-a rating is likely to be resolved with a downgrade later this year. even if another debt ceiling crisis is averted. steve? >> of course it is. we are added to the debt at unprecedented pace. of course, the agencies that exist to provide ratings on our debt are going to tell us that we will be downgraded. you have to have a discussion in the broader context. this is why the things are different when you talk about $17 billion in this particular mulvaney amendment. it is not a ton of number. in the context of $1.2 trillion debt. but you to have the discussions about the $17 billion. it's not out of line to suggest that a 1.6%be off-set is reasonable. >> bret: i will say one thing aboutbe the debt ceiling debate quickly. president obama yesterday and then jay carney back in 2011 two different takes but the same message. >> congressional republicans refuse to pay a
in the abbe sense of medium term deficit reduction plan consistent with sustaining the economic recovery and restoring confidence in the long run, sustainability of the u.s. publicbe finances the current negative outlook on triple-a rating is likely to be resolved with a downgrade later this year. even if another debt ceiling crisis is averted. steve? >> of course it is. we are added to the debt at unprecedented pace. of course, the agencies that exist to provide ratings on our debt are...
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we have clear issues, as pat was alluding to, with the debt and the deficit. they're not solved and the debt ceiling, while it's an important hurdle and i don't want to default and i think the president is substantively is right, we can't be a totally polarized nation and nor can we pit one against the other and is sub zero see site. president clinton got a deal with newt gingrich, a different philosophy, he reached out across the aisle. we have to deal with entitlements, it's not a question of not wanting to take care of old people or poor people or feeding poor children, i think everybody believes we should. it's how and what extent and in what way can we afford it. bottom line, i thought the president's tone was unfortunate. he did it in the press conference right after the election, and i think that ultimately, it does the american people a disservice. >> kirsten, you read some the left wing pundits and they've had it with president obama in their view bending in these discussions with the left. they think, you know, he extended the bush tax cuts a couple
we have clear issues, as pat was alluding to, with the debt and the deficit. they're not solved and the debt ceiling, while it's an important hurdle and i don't want to default and i think the president is substantively is right, we can't be a totally polarized nation and nor can we pit one against the other and is sub zero see site. president clinton got a deal with newt gingrich, a different philosophy, he reached out across the aisle. we have to deal with entitlements, it's not a question of...
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so, obama's entire premise that we need a balanced approach to cutting the deficit is based on a huge fiction which is that obama's plan will cut 4 trillion during the the next decade. it will do no such thing. he's basing on a falsity, just like day one when he's been in office, distort and pr propgandize. now, republicans need to understand all of this dealing with obama. they're dealing with a man who is reckless, ruthless as any president they will ever encounter and my next guest says he has a plan that mr. bolster the republicans hand when it comes to dealing with the democrats on the issue of debt and much more. ohio senator rob portman is here. and what do you make of obama, only 2006 a vote against the debt ceiling. >> it went further than that. he said it would be unpatriotic. >> sean: that's another, i actually have that clip. you want to see it. >> sure. >> sean: let's show the videotape. >> the problem is, is that the way bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the bank of china in the name of our children, driving up our national debt
so, obama's entire premise that we need a balanced approach to cutting the deficit is based on a huge fiction which is that obama's plan will cut 4 trillion during the the next decade. it will do no such thing. he's basing on a falsity, just like day one when he's been in office, distort and pr propgandize. now, republicans need to understand all of this dealing with obama. they're dealing with a man who is reckless, ruthless as any president they will ever encounter and my next guest says he...
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he's said it's unrealistic to tie the debt limit to deficit reduction. he said it has been separate. that is just not accurate. >> sean: last 30 years? >> last 27 years every major reduction is start going through 1990s all three agreements. recent one, budget control act the reason we're talking about the debt limit discussion. so this is an appropriate time to raise the issue. look, he said people voted for him because they wanted to increase the debt limit. i don't think so. that is not what polling shows. it shows people want to get spending under control. >> sean: for a brief hour the obama media which did not go do a good job from my estimation woke up and challenged him. and looked angry on hypocrisy. how would you deal with the president that is very good at politics, demonizing and pushing republicans into a corner? what is the best strategy? >> well, i agree with you it's interesting. you had reporters saying wait a minute. you said just the opposite but also said the point just made a second ago which is why are you saying it's been straight a
he's said it's unrealistic to tie the debt limit to deficit reduction. he said it has been separate. that is just not accurate. >> sean: last 30 years? >> last 27 years every major reduction is start going through 1990s all three agreements. recent one, budget control act the reason we're talking about the debt limit discussion. so this is an appropriate time to raise the issue. look, he said people voted for him because they wanted to increase the debt limit. i don't think so. that...
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the problem is we deficit spend about 3 to 4 billion dollars a day. we collect, we spend about 10 billion a day and that means that we deficit. we have to borrow 3 to 4 billion dollars a day. we spend more than 700 million dollars a day in interest on a national debt. there are lots of things to do. the president has lots of discretion to curb back that spending to make sure that social security payments are paid, interest is paid we don't default on our debt. >> greta: you know, when he voted as a u.s. senator against the debt ceiling, he talked in essence how irresponsible it was to raise the debt ceiling. what in the world happened between then and now? why does somebody responsible for something raise the debt ceiling that wasn't before? what's the difference? >> i think that the president was terribly irresponsible, to say he's not talking about it because he's above it to blame congress, in part congress creates this problem, but we're going to solve this problem. i got elected to uphold the constitution and leave this country better than how we
the problem is we deficit spend about 3 to 4 billion dollars a day. we collect, we spend about 10 billion a day and that means that we deficit. we have to borrow 3 to 4 billion dollars a day. we spend more than 700 million dollars a day in interest on a national debt. there are lots of things to do. the president has lots of discretion to curb back that spending to make sure that social security payments are paid, interest is paid we don't default on our debt. >> greta: you know, when he...
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they created the structural deficit -- >> neil: wait a minute. we can go back in time and talk about 9/11 and a recession was taking hold. i don't want to go back in history. i want to ask thufinaly, would you agree that if we get a republican president and he or she is demanding the same prerogative you want to give this president right now, you, simon, would be on board and say go for it. >> i think we should eliminate the vote over the debt ceiling, both party, both presidents for all time -- >> neil: you would give a republican the same eye am going to save this tape. when it comes to that, i am going to have you back. >> hopefully, that won't be for a long time. >> neil: i thought you would say that, touche. >> okay. >> neil: from help out of d.c. to big doings in d.c., the city is getting readyr spiffy for a piece of history. the president's inauguration on monday. since january 20 falls on a sunday, the president will be privately sworn in that day. but the hoopla is all on monday, across the capitol. and we will be there again. probably n
they created the structural deficit -- >> neil: wait a minute. we can go back in time and talk about 9/11 and a recession was taking hold. i don't want to go back in history. i want to ask thufinaly, would you agree that if we get a republican president and he or she is demanding the same prerogative you want to give this president right now, you, simon, would be on board and say go for it. >> i think we should eliminate the vote over the debt ceiling, both party, both presidents...
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. >> i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce the deficit, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have racked up. what i will not do is to have that negotiation with gun at the head of the people. >> dana: interesting choice of words to describe that. eric, you talked about not wanting the country to lurch from crisis to crisis. most americans would agree and want washington to fix fundamental problems. why do we have to have the debate every three months? >> eric: sure. start with the debt ceiling and how it came about. prior to world war i, everybody was paid. the debt we incurred was paid for through various bonds. world war i to world war ii, fdr got together with the treasury secretary and set let's put a debt ceiling op and they started to borrow money. that amount in 1949 was $45 billion. today, $16.4 trillion. that is 46,400% higher. between 1939 and 1980, we never exceeded $1 trillion in debt. now we push $17 trillion. the problem with the sound bite is president obama was the guy
. >> i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce the deficit, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have racked up. what i will not do is to have that negotiation with gun at the head of the people. >> dana: interesting choice of words to describe that. eric, you talked about not wanting the country to lurch from crisis to crisis. most americans would agree and want washington to fix...
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. >> while i am willing to p compromise and find common ground over the deficit we cannot afford a debate about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time social security checks and veteran's benefits will be delayed. >> we are not going to do it without putting in place a spending reform. these cuts promise to transpire but never do are not going to do the job any more. >> senate republican leader mitch mcconnell wanted to say the president needs to get serious about it. you can see the battle lines clearly drawn in washington. >> also pointing out in 2006 president obama then senator voted against raising the ceiling. >> they discussed his time spent in prison whether he feared for his life and what the first moments were like for him. >> i came in the prison around 3 in the morning. initially there's some pressure put on me. they tried to export money from the family, but the american consulate was contacted and they moved me out of the general population and put me into like a single place by my
. >> while i am willing to p compromise and find common ground over the deficit we cannot afford a debate about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time social security checks and veteran's benefits will be delayed. >> we are not going to do it without putting in place a spending reform. these cuts promise to transpire but never do are not going to do the job any more. >> senate...
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if we want to have a conversation about how to redust our deficit let's have that. we've been having that nor the last two years. we just had an entire campaign about it. by the way the american people agreed with me that we should reduce our deficits in a balanced way that takes into account the need for us to grow this economy. martha: bob beckel is former democratic campaign manager and cohost of the five. mary katherine ham is editor at large and fox news contributor. why do you think it was so testy yesterday? >> obama's best form is not necessarily a press conference which is why he does than do many of them. i which he was testy for one real reason. the republicans trying to take the full faith and crucify the united states currency and putting it at fist being. i'd invoke the 14th amendment, we'd problem below know that if we spent more time with the republicans wasting time on the floor of the house. i thought he ought to raise it and to hell with congress. martha: we talked to stewart varney and kirsten said in that sound byte, this isn't about default, pe
if we want to have a conversation about how to redust our deficit let's have that. we've been having that nor the last two years. we just had an entire campaign about it. by the way the american people agreed with me that we should reduce our deficits in a balanced way that takes into account the need for us to grow this economy. martha: bob beckel is former democratic campaign manager and cohost of the five. mary katherine ham is editor at large and fox news contributor. why do you think it...
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he said yesterday we have not connected the debt limit with deficit reduction. nothing could be further from the truth. in the past three decades the only thing that has worked in washington to get the spending under control is to tie debt spending to a limit. gramm-rudman. it is a tool that can and should be used. >>gretchen: he seems to think it has nothing to do with spending. what would be your counter to that? >> it has everything to do with spending. again, it's been the most effective tool to be used to try to get washington to finally begin to tighten its belt and do the right thing. if we don't, the country does become bankrupt. some would grew it already -- some would argue it already is, as we saw in that hbo -- hank paulson looked good. >>gretchen: he wasn't playing himself. unfortunately we're out of time, but this discussion could go on and on. >> the american people want us to deal with this issue, and this has been the time and place to do it. we ought to do it in the next few weeks. >>gretchen: senator, great to see you. more "fox & friends" mor
he said yesterday we have not connected the debt limit with deficit reduction. nothing could be further from the truth. in the past three decades the only thing that has worked in washington to get the spending under control is to tie debt spending to a limit. gramm-rudman. it is a tool that can and should be used. >>gretchen: he seems to think it has nothing to do with spending. what would be your counter to that? >> it has everything to do with spending. again, it's been the most...